Adam

Applause followed by an ovation for your brave post.
Seriously this is being going on for so long its not funny anymore.

Keep it up

Toly

I completely agree but please don’t single out any particular ethnic group. Instead, just post the headhunter’s contact information here. I see tons of posts on LinkedIn groups looking for mules. They should declare the bill rate as a percentage. Even better: ride them, find out the client and mail them directly telling them to find new headhunters.

Peter:

Thanks for the comment!

I agree about the percentage idea and keep all numbers above the table. I also like the idea of a fixed fee a lot better. It’s terribly outrageous to think that because, that’s exactly what they do to us! They will call us up and say, “Well, if you know someone that can do this, we’ll pay you $1000!”. It’s the same process =)

As for the ethnic part, I understand where you’re coming from, and I probably should have clarified my point. I still stand by what I said, even though it’s not very PC. The reasoning is because if an Indan guy calls me up with a thick accent and an area code of 732 (Jersey), the likelihood that they are here on a Visa or in India is about 95%. What does this mean? This is a company that most likely knows nothing of the industry, they’re paying their own employees slave wages, and they have no real interaction with the end-client. These companies are playing the numbers game, and have the highest cut out of the rates more than anyone else. If you deal with them, you’ll be getting used and taken advantage of more than anyone else. I’m not trying to single out an ethnicity, that’s just the way it is. Hell, they’ve even made a movie / TV show, “Outsourced”. I know we all want to pretend that we’re above profiling, but let’s face it, in the real world it exists. It exists for a reason. There’s truth behind it. The problem is that most people live in a society where it’s considered morally wrong to feel this way. I don’t live there. I live in the world everyone wants to live in. The one they talk about with their friends when their alone, or at the bar and have a few drinks in them. I live in the blunt world of, “It’s just the way shit is” =)

.: Adam

Hi Adam,

I seem to be supporting you on what you have said but not all companies are like this. There are companies which strive for service of excellence & quality of resources and there are companies which want to make quick bucks by being just the middlemen. US Government has taken stringent decisions on these companies in recent years and cleared up most of the junk.

This is how it is in consulting world everywhere. When you work with medium to large companies, you seem to see hundred dollar bills in your pocket because the company gets lot more and with small companies you see much less.

Think about a coffee shop in NY whether it is Gimme! or 9th street or the nearest cafe. all come at the same price with a few cents difference regardless of what the employee is paid for and how the good the coffee is made by him/her.

I liked your advice targeting clients, headhunters and resources but would appreciate removing the word “indian”. This is how most businesses work whether it is indian or other. I read your reply to Peter and here is my thought – There are lot more companies that do a better job than what you have mentioned here. The more you get into the business side the more you will go through these situations and ire. You would definitely laugh at yourself on your face thinking of this post when psyance becomes a 50/100 employee company

Thanks
Ramesh GK